Muslim leaders call for Sharia divorce court in Perth
ELEANOR HALL: To religious issues in Australia now, and Muslim leaders in Perth are planning to set up a special court under Sharia law to settle disputes in divorce proceedings.
At the moment, anyone whose marriage is registered in their country of origin has to go there to get an annulment.
But Abdul Jalil Ahmad, of the Islamic Council of Western Australia, says the Sharia court is needed here.
However, he says it would not be a replacement for the Australian legal system.
This report from David Weber in Perth.
DAVID WEBER: Abdul Jalil Ahmad says a board of 10 Islamic leaders may be required to make up the court. He says the court would protect the interests of women going through a separation or a divorce.
ABDUL JALIL AHMAD: Sometime, you know, if they come to me as individual first, you know, it is not right for me like to decide anything because I am not a judge. I can advise them. Or if the problem is not so big, I can try to solve their problem, but sometimes big problem, especially when the husband, you know… for example, the wife has been suffering, the husband refuses to divorce here or something like that. So there's no way for them to explain it to the Sharia court, you know.
DAVID WEBER: So a Sharia court would take the place of mediator, I suppose?
ABDUL JALIL AHMAD: Yeah, something like that, like, you know, court of arbitration, you see.
DAVID WEBER: A Sharia court would not take the place of the Australian legal system?
ABDUL JALIL AHMAD: No, no, no. You know, the most we expect or we hope is that it can be recognised, you know.
DAVID WEBER: Is it possible that a court, a Sharia court, could deal with other aspects of Sharia law?
ABDUL JALIL AHMAD: You see, when we live in any country as minority you always, you know, what do you call… abide by the law of the land, you see.
Only in areas where we are legally allowed to implement our Islamic teaching we do, otherwise we cannot do because it is illegal, you understand. Especially, like, where it got to marriage, divorce and funeral, that all we have – what we have been doing so far, you know. But it doesn't extend to, like, criminal law or something like that, because you have to follow the law of the land because we are a minority.
DAVID WEBER: What would you hope to say to people in Australia who may be concerned about some of the more extreme aspects of Sharia law that are in place in some parts of the world, like Sudan for instance, and the idea that that may be coming into play here?
ABDUL JALIL AHMAD: We are a minority here, we cannot do anything against the law, you see. So we can only demand or practice our diligence, you know, in the areas or the aspects in which we are allowed legally.
DAVID WEBER: The WA Ethnic Communities' Council does not support the move.
The President, Suresh Rajan, says there could be problems where two sets of laws exist.
The Chief Executive of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, Amjad Mehboob, says an imam has a mediating role where marriages are breaking down.
But he says a Sharia court would be useful in some circumstances, because it would provide a legal framework.
AMJAD MEHBOOB: Maybe where a husband is refusing to grant divorce, where the woman is asking for one, and then she could perhaps approach an avenue that has some legal powers. But the imam hasn't got directly very many legal powers in the normal sense.
ELEANOR HALL: Amjad Mehboob, the Chief Executive of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, speaking to David Weber in Perth
Break it down, lay it down he said?
Let's review this report:
ELEANOR HALL: He says, "But Abdul Jalil Ahmad, of the Islamic Council of Western Australia, says the Sharia court is needed here.
"However, he says it would not be a replacement for the Australian legal system."
This report from David Weber in Perth.
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DAVID WEBER: "A Sharia court would not take the place of the Australian legal system?"
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ABDUL JALIL AHMAD: No, no, no. You know, the most we expect or we hope is that it can be recognised, you know.
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Now we have to be very certain about this don't we?
So whose Idea was it? David 'divide and conquer' tactics' Weber?
Eleanor Hall?
John Howard?
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Maybe they just send the file to ASIO like they did to Jack Thomas? And say that he said it now? But they didn't instigate it? Oh no!
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http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/03/142568.php
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Fact is they make it sound like ABDUL JALIL AHMAD is trying to take over Australia therefore we should all live in fear of Isamophobia, and divide and conquer rules best?
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"DAVID WEBER: What would you hope to say to people in Australia who may be concerned about some of the more extreme aspects of Sharia law that are in place in some parts of the world, like Sudan for instance, and the idea that that may be coming into play here?"
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The 655,000 dead people in Iraq you mean? That's a holocaust and very extreme yes but perhaps you don't wish to talk about that David?
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Some advice for John Howard, Eleanor Hall, David Weber, and the ants:
However, there are two truths that are ignored in such a pessimistic assessment. One is that while it is easy to control individual citizens, it is impossible for a relatively few officials, police, or whoever, to control many citizens. Try it with some ants, you can use a small twig or a pencil to block the path or a single ant, and you can do so for five or six at once. But once there are 20 or 30 ants, let alone two or three thousand, control of the routes they take becomes impossible. That is why the authorities of the old order fear mobs, and why they always adopt 'divide and conquer' tactics within their national control strategies.
http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/node/50448
Related:
Islamic association denies claims Hilali pensioned off
A spokesman for Australia's most [mass media savy agent provocateur] controversial Muslim cleric, Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilali, has rejected claims that the mufti has been given a golden handshake in return for abandoning claims to leadership positions.
Sheikh Hilali has already been banned from preaching in mosques following uproar over remarks in which he compared women to uncovered meat.
Now it is being reported that he has been offered a pension and free accommodation in return for an end to his role as an Islamic religious leader.
But Islamic Friendship Association president Keysar Trad says those claims are untrue.
"As far as I'm aware they're not correct," he said.
"I have had a conversation with him and whilst we hear all sorts of rumours on the street, none of these rumours could be substantiated.
"Let's not forget that the organisation that determines the position of mufti is presently being looked after by a court-appointed administrator."
Source http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200702/s1842736.htm
Baptists stand by 'Jesus loves Osama' sign
Baptist leaders say a sign displayed on many of its churches, reading "Jesus loves Osama", is not meant to cause offence.
[What about a distraction?]
A number of churches have displayed the sign that also quotes the Bible saying "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you".
[Even the John Howard govt, his cronies, and the Coalition of the Killing?]
New South Wales Baptist Union spokesman Alan Soden says while he can understand people may be offended, the sign reflects Christian teachings.
"[Jesus] said we should love our enemies as controversial as that may be," he said.
[We must really love the Coalition of the Killing then because some people were stupid enough to elect them back into public office? That's how much they love them? See!]
Alan Soden "The bottom line to me is we're all sinners.
[Some a lot worse than others hey Alan? Like 655,000 dead in the Iraq war. Then why are some people sent to jail and other not so unlucky?]
Alan Soden "He loves us all, no matter who we are or what we may've done."
[Even a holocaust in Iraq? Hey Alan? And even if you blamed the wrong bloke, Osama 'where has he bin lately?' And whose just the scapegoat demonic and a figment of George W Bush's sinister imagination? And even if your Christian church is just a 'propaganda distraction for the mass media and mass murderers, hey Alan?]
[You there Alan?]
Sorcerer: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200702/s1838230.htm
Agencies asked to 'review status' of Islamic group
Federal Attorney-General Philip Ruddock has asked the relevant agencies to review the status of the controversial Islamic group, Hizb ut-Tahrir.
The group held a conference in Sydney at the weekend and called for the creation of an Islamic state under sharia law.
Mr Ruddock has said while he does not like their views, there is insufficient evidence to ban the group and it is up to the states if they want to do something.
A spokesman for Mr Ruddock says the Attorney-General yesterday asked the relevant agencies - believed to be ASIO and the Australian Federal Police (AFP) - to review the status of the organisation.
He says groups such as Hizb ut-Tahrir are being continually monitored.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1835919.htm
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Ruddock won't do it and the State won't do it then the police might do it? As long as it stays on the front page? Notice no one will arrest those war criminals like John Howard and his cronies either? Because one of them is Phillip Ruddock. That makes everyone else a potential witch!
Islamic group could face legal action: NSW Neo-Liberals
The New South Wales Opposition says a radical Islamic group in Sydney could face court over what it says is the racial vilification of non-Muslims.
The group, called Hizb ut Tahrir, held a conference in south-west Sydney yesterday and called for the establishment of an Islamic state under sharia law somewhere in the world.
Federal Attorney-General Philip Ruddock says there is insufficient evidence to ban the group.
But the NSW Liberal's justice spokesman, Chris Hartcher, says the State Government has the power to prosecute Hizb ut Tahrir separate to the Commonwealth.
"The whole thrust of Islamic extremism in Australia is to vilify the races in Australia who are not adherents to Islam," he said.
[But some might say that Neo-Liberal conservatism 'stick' and mass media 'power' in Australia is to vilify the races in Australia who are not adherents to Christianity?]
"That clearly constitutes vilification under the racial discrimination sections of the racial discrimination act."
Mr Ruddock says NSW will have to decide itself if it wants to ban the controversial Islamic group.
[NSW Yes!]
"If the State Government believes it should be banned as an organisation simply because they don't like their views, I would suggest they've got power to do it," he said.
"The Commonwealth doesn't and we know that from the Communist Party dissolution case."
[But this is just another way to change their mind by using the State as a different entity than that of the federal regime and somehow not connected to the same constitution? We can't do it but someone else can I think?] Sure someone else can most likely Morris Iemma. But Peter Debnam would have to push him into it so that he gets the credit?]
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1835361.htm
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In anycase it's just another round of Islamophobic bashing that's going on in Australia and in particular NSW. Must be electioneering? War related?
It would still be happening even if there weren't and election looming in NSW or in Federal arena so it's war related electioneering? It's also another in the very long list of Australian Islamophobic webblogs or should I say webwogs?
Islamic super state
How to wind up the community with nonsense!
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Banning Muslim group 'would be dangerous'
A leading Muslim says the Federal Government is right to allow the controversial Islamic group, Hizb ut Tahrir, to practice in Australia.
There have been calls for the group to be banned following a conference in Sydney's south-west yesterday, which focused on creating an Islamic super state with sharia law somewhere in the world.
But former chairman of the Federal Government's Muslim Community Reference Group, Dr Ameer Ali, says banning the group and its controversial teachings could do more harm than good.
"That call may be appropriate in a Muslim country, but it is totally inappropriate to Australia," he said.
"Therefore they have to be monitored in what they are saying, but to ban them is not a wise move, because once you ban them, they go underground. That is much more dangerous."
However, Dr Ali is concerned the conference held by the group may further damage the community's perceptions of the faith.
He says the best way to deal with the group is to engage moderate Muslims to counter its views.
"These youngsters don't realise the damage they are doing to the mainstream Muslim community in this country," he said.
"So I'd say let them do whatever they want to do, but there must be some line - we draw a line beyond which they have to be monitored very closely.
"And I think the law enforcement authorities must monitor them."
Federal Attorney-General Philip Ruddock says there is insufficient evidence to ban the group.
But chair of the Community Relations Commission, Stepan Kerkyasharian, says Hizb ut Tahrir is overstepping the mark.
"If people are going to hold public meetings calling for a way of life and our institutions to be replaced by some other system, then they are definitely crossing the line," he said.
"It's not acceptable in our society and it's tantamount to calling for a revolution."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1835066.htm
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Tell me what line I crossed?
2nd Renaissance - Beyond Industrial Capitalism and Nation States
Go forward in peace. And always remember the line from Gravity's Rainbow: "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers."
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2006/06/115092.php
Sydney conference speaker demands Islamic state
A speaker at a conference in Sydney's south-west says a revolution or a civil war may be necessary in order to create an Islamic state, or caliphate.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1834944.htm
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The article describes what someone is alleged to have said but fails to provide the context. Typical rubbish beamed into our Sunday lunch.
Islamic group moves meeting after council ban
A controversial Islamic group that was banned from holding a conference at a Sydney town hall is today meeting at an alternate venue in the city's south-west.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1834903.htm
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In addition this seems to be where the witch hunt started.
Sheikh Hilali warned off sermon
Controversial cleric Sheikh Taj el-Din al-Hilali pulled out of his weekly sermon at the Lakemba Mosque yesterday after he was told his address would have to be apolitical.
The president of the Lebanese Muslim Association (LMA), which runs the Lakemba mosque, informed the Sheikh of the conditions 10 minutes before he was due to enter the mosque.
Sheikh al-Hilali then decided not to give the sermon.
The Sheikh said on Thursday he would support three Muslim candidates in the March state election.
LMA president Tom Zreika says he is making sure the mosque is not used for political campaigning.
"We're not going to be involved in any political endorsement," he said.
"We're not going to become a campaign office for any political party and we're certainly not going to be running any candidates from the LMA headquarters."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1834582.htm
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Even though Islamic cleric Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilali never offered himself up as a personal candidate for the State foregone conclusion? Does Peter Debnam, john hoWARd's bum boy, think everyone was born yesterday? Why? Because he's a racist scumbag that's why! If you want to make some trouble ask Peter Debnam about this:
Sheikh urged to end election speculation
New South Wales Premier Morris Iemma says Islamic cleric Sheikh Taj el-din Al Hilali should announce whether he is going to run in the state election.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1833703.htm
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/01/137723_comment.php#137757
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In other developments:
Group won't support Sheikh's MP push
The president of Australia's Lebanese Muslim Association (LMA), Tom Zreika, has distanced himself from Muslim cleric Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilali, who reportedly wants to field three candidates in the south-west Sydney seats of Lakemba, Bankstown and Auburn in the state election.
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You say, "Muslim cleric Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilali, who reportedly wants to field three candidates in the south-west Sydney seats of Lakemba, Bankstown and Auburn in the state election."
Then why didn't anyone including the ABC tell the New South Wales Deputy Premier John Watkins?
Debnam urged to rule out Hilali preference deal
New South Wales Deputy Premier John Watkins is calling on the State Opposition to rule out preference deals with Islamic cleric Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilali if he decides to run as a candidate in the state election.
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Does New South Wales Deputy Premier John Watkins think we don't know that Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilali publicly declared on National TV that he was not offering himself up personally as a NSW candidate? Or is he just acting dumb? Perhaps no one told him? Nah! So what would he have against any other Muslim candidate anyways? Islamophobia?
What would Peter Debnam Say? I love you I love you all?
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/01/137206_comment.php#137235
Islamophobic Australians attack peaceful Aussie mufti
January 15, 2007 - Aussie mufti Sheik Taj al-Din Hilali's recent comments during an Egyptian TV interview have triggered more Islamaphobic outrage in Australia, with a number of politicians, including Federal Immigration Minister Senator Amanda Vanstone, laughing him off as an "irrelevance" or demanding he "stay in his native Egypt if did not like Australia."
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/57907
Sheik's comments spur calls to Immigration Dept?
Now it's alleged that the Sheik Taj el-Din Al Hilali comments spurred calls to the Immigration Department? What was the point of the pr exercise if people weren't going to call her? Why does she distance herself from her government and political media establishment's xenophobic pr campaigns?
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/01/136146.php
debnam has got to go!
The New South Wales Flopposition Leader, peter debnam, says an anti-American statement made by Sydney cleric Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilaly was a virtual declaration of war on Western society. So debnam actually thinks war crimes against humanity and the death of 665,000 Iraqi men, women and children for democracy is a fair argument? Sack him before it's too late, please!
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display/40531/index.php
Xenophobic rocket launcher, so why was it reported really?
Police say they are unsure if the claims, published in a 'Sunday newspaper', are true and they are now being investigated. [So why was it reported today by howard's 'abc' and the 'Melbourne age'?]
http://adelaide.indymedia.org/newswire/display_any/50226
Man refused bail over rocket launcher charges, discrepancies?
Peter Debnam is also a 'chip off' the old neo-liberal rocket launcher 'war criminal', block, John Howard, who has a very good reason to hype up and generate fear in the community for an illegal and degrading war in Iraq. Sinister?
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2007/01/135990.php
divide and conquer
Clerics to decide on Hilali's future as mufti
An historic meeting tomorrow of more than 60 of the nation's Islamic clerics will decide if Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilali should continue as mufti at the Lakemba Mosque in Sydney.
The event is being hosted by the Lebanese Muslim Association (LMA), which runs the mosque.
In the lead-up to the event, LMA president Tom Zreika had received abuse and threats of violence for suggesting how Islamic religious leaders could improve their standing in the community.
"There's quite a few critics, but what were calling on these imams to do, if they have any opinions [is] to voice them, if they want to run for the office, put your hand up," he said.
"They've got an incredible responsibility and we're going to be criticised immensely if no one says anything."
Ahead of this meeting, Mr Zreika released some 16 pages of ideas for the Imams to better communicate and integrate into the wider Australian community.
He has already advocated for the Australian flags to be flown outside all places of religious worship.
Now he has suggested Imams join community organisations such as lifesaving clubs or rural firefighters.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1880502.htm
Islam bashing update
Impact of Al Hilali decision extremely negative: PM
Prime Minister John Howard says Islamic leaders are doing damage to their community by not taking decisive action against Sydney's Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilali.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1881341.htm
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Even though the war criminal John Howard is one of the most negative people on the planet! How does he get away with it? Bullshit!
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Muslim leaders mull replacing Sheikh Hilali
The first conference of the Australian National Imams Council (ANIC) has voted to set up two committees to determine their spiritual leader or mufti.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1881093.htm
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Muslim leaders or the ABC? I say that John Howard's ABC mull divide and conquer!
How about SBS and John Howard's ABC just accept the decision? Fair?
Now go away! Worse than the flies!
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Hilaly stays on as Mufti
The inaugural meeting of the Australian National Imams Council has decided controversial Sydney Muslim cleric Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilaly will stay on as the head of Australia's Muslims for now.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1880999.htm
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Nile claims NSW election win for Muslim bashing
Christian Democratic Party leader Fred Nile says he has been re-elected to the Upper House for a fourth term in the New South Wales election, after proposing to freeze Muslim immigration.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200703/s1880686.htm
Dear Moderators these are Obvious racist posts!
Two Sudanese women sentenced to death by stoning
http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/node/50464
Rampant Sexism
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Muslim leaders call for Sharia divorce court in Perth
http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/node/50468
Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Understanding Islam & how to deal with Islam
http://sydney.indymedia.org.au/node/50501
Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
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I guess it's by the same person! The problem with these posts is that they have been intentionally placed here to exploit people. I don't appreciate this persons motives. In that they don't care about the issues they are exploiting but just the Racism!
Thanks
I don't agree
How is the article about Sudanese women sexist? It is just reporting on the policies of another country.
The second one looks like a cut 'n' paste from the ABC, so perhaps you should be complaining to them if you have a problem with the content.
The third one is already hidden.
no-one ever reads comments that long
"Not your ABC" - why bother posting such long comments? they are just annoying. people realise they are five pages long and stop reading. if you want to facilitate discussion, leave a comment that someone can respond to. otherwise people are just going to be alienated from you and your message.
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