Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
Two founders of an internet whistleblowing site have been sentenced to nine months gaol for contempt of court by the Victorian Civil Administrative Tribunal. (VCAT) Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg were well known in the online community and their website " Gaiaguys.net " covered various topics such as:
* FIGU material and the Disclosure project.
* Alternate energy sources and environmental issues.
* Crop circles and chem trails.
* Corruption in the media and government by various guilds and groups.
It was the latter that landed them in hot water when they accused a group in being involved with a Satanic ritual abuse ring in Victoria. The group was classed as a registered religion and bought religious vilification charges against Devine and Legg at VCAT in July 07. Gaiaguys was ordered then to remove the offending material which they failed to comply with. In December 07 the orders were made to arrest both parties for contempt of court.
This is the first time religious vilification has been used in Australia to this extent. There was a case before of Catch the fire ministries vs. The Australian Islamic council. But both sides settled matters in mediation after spending one million plus dollars each. This is a heinous blow to freedom of speech in this country and both Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg are political prisoners.
A Gaiaguys skeleton site is up and runnning again and can be found at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GiordanoBrunoinEEUU/message/69
The links and graphics don't work, but one can get an idea of what type of topics gaiaguys.net covered.
Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg are currently sentence serving prisoners in Victoria. Both can be individually contacted via the Victorian Dept of Corrective services at:
Dept of Victorian Corrections
GPO Box 123
Melbourne, VIC, 3000
This matter affects all those who value our right to freedom of speech and the confidence of whistle-blowers in Australia to speak out. Please voice your support and put vocal pressure on the politicians to free Dyson and Vivienne from imprisonment. It starts here but we have to ask ourselves... Where does it end?
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Dyson and Vivienne, I am so sorry
The group of weirdos who brought this action are satan worshippers.
They base their beliefs around Alistair Crowley's book. So much for
freedom of speech. I know these two people and they are very good
people, very concerned about the planet. I was working on an article
about this but you beat me to it. I will write to you, guys.
Re: Dyson and Vivienne, I am so sorry
take your own advice pyewacket
they are fools if they try to flaunt the law to that extent !! there are many ways to flirt the law and still not get sent to jail !
So you don't believe in free speech?
You think we should just shut up about things that are wrong - thinks
like HealthQuest and weird cults that espouse Crowley's pederastic
writings?
Re: Dyson and Vivienne, I am so sorry
Actually, Dyson and Vivienne took their own website down themselves after being urged by Billy Meier to do so. The OTO had nothing to do with it. If you don't believe me, it is documented at the FIGU message board here:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/8690.html?1198922805
Look for Christian's post on 24 December 2007.
If you want to contact the Gaiaguys nuts, you will find their addresses here courtesy of "Bill Morgan":
http://adamdodson.org/node/131
Fr. L.P.
Wiki entry on O.T.O.
Be careful what you say everyone, these people have money and will
sue. But just see for yourself what this organization is about.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordo_Templi_Orientis
Aleister Crowley, Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley
Sydney Indy could be shut down by a SLAPP
In the same circumstances, we could easily be shut down. I have seen a
lot of posts here that would be found to be defamatory of various
politicians, etc, if they were to take the matter to court. This is
wrong: we should be allowed to say what we think regarding
organizations or persons of high profile. But we need to be very aware
of this shocking case. This is known as a S.L.A.P.P.: Specific Lawsuit
Against Public Participation.
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
The operators of Gaiaguys.net are obviously some seriously irrational conspiracy theorists. That said, I'm no fan of court ordered shut downs of websites, no matter how ridiculous the content.
The Gaiaguys.net website is still online here:
http://web.petabox.bibalex.org/web/*/http://www.gaiaguys.net
Gaiaguys
Thanks....I love a good conspiracy theory myself. It's always good reading but you don't have to believe it.
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
Freedom of speech is one thing. Outright lies set up to cause hatred against a group of people is another thing altogether. Free speech is the ability to express your opinions without fear of persecution and its importance is absolute. But when the freedom of speech is used to spread some pretty nasty lies disguised as researched news, then that's a real abuse of freedom.
There is a massive gulf between speaking your opinion about an issue, and reporting a lie as if it was fact. The OTO guys have every right to fight against this blatant abuse. And I suspect most people out there would also do the same if someone created a site accusing them of those heinous crimes.
Inciting heinous crimes
It could be that no members of the OTO have committed heinous
crimes. But Aleister Crowley, whose books you promote on your website,
does incite people to commit heinous crimes. In his books he advocates
animal 'sacrifice' and sexual abuse. On one occasion Crowley went to
Nepal where he beat one of his servants to death. On another occasion a
visitor to his house died after drinking cats' blood. So do you people,
like Crowley, advocate the 'sacrificing' of cats and other animals? And
if not, why are you promoting Crowley's books on your website? What are
you going to do, take legal action against every website that mentions
the link between the OTO and Aleister Crowley?
We find in the next quotes, the ‘doctrine’ of Aleister Crowley from MAGICK in Theory and Practice, by The Master Therion (Aleister Crowley):
Re: Inciting heinous crimes
Hello
"It could be that no members of the OTO have committed heinous
crimes. But Aleister Crowley, whose books you promote on your website,
does incite people to commit heinous crimes."
Really? Do you have any examples for us? Many, many more crimes have been committed over the years in the name of Christianity than have been committed in the name of Thelema and the teachings of Aleister Crowley.
"In his books he advocates animal 'sacrifice' and sexual abuse."
Care to give me an example of sexual abuse being advocated in Crowley's writings? He mentioned animal sacrifice once, in one book.
"On one occasion Crowley went to Nepal where he beat one of his servants to death."
Your source for this? Four members of his mountain climbing party in Tibet were known to have perished, but I'd like to see the report where he actually beat a servant of his to death.
"On another occasion a visitor to his house died after drinking cats' blood."
You are referring to Raoul Loveday, who visited the Abbey of Thelema in Sicily. Loveday died of Typhoid from drinking diseased spring water that Crowley warned him not to drink. The cat's blood story was concocted by his widow Betty May, who spun the yarn to a British newspaper for 45 pounds so she could return to England from Sicily. She later contradicted the story about seven years later in her book Tiger Woman.
"So do you people, like Crowley, advocate the 'sacrificing' of cats and other animals?"
No. Do you advocate two kooks who believe Billy Meier's stupid hubcab and garbage can lid UFO photos? Do you advocate two maniacs who falsely accuse a group of people of pedophilia, don't go the court to answer for their statements, and then slander the judge who found them in contempt because they never answered a legal summons?
"And if not, why are you promoting Crowley's books on your website?"
Because we bothered to read the rest of his writings and found them to have meaning.
"What are you going to do, take legal action against every website that mentions
the link between the OTO and Aleister Crowley?"
Considering that Crowley served as the head of the OTO from 1923 to 1947, it's not exactly something to take legal action about. . .
"We find in the next quotes, the ‘doctrine’ of Aleister Crowley from MAGICK in Theory and Practice, by The Master Therion (Aleister Crowley):
Crowley makes this clear more than once that this is not to be taken literally, and that any reference to child sacrifice is a reference to the ejaculation of semen in sexual ritual without conceiving a child.
--Fr. L.P.
Aleister Crowley
From SATANIC EXTRACTS, by Aleister Crowley:
The Oath of Fealty
I bind my blood in Satan's
hands,
All this that lieth betwixt my
hands
To thee, the Beast, and thy
control,
I pledge me; body, mind, and
soul.
Pledge
I swear to work my Work
abhorred,
Careless of all but one reward,
The pleasure of the Devil our
Lord
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
the more you seek the truth the more you find out how bad freemasonry actually is
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
The owners of the website took the whole site down not because of the contempt order, or the original order to remove specific materials, but because they said an alien named “Ptaah” personally advised them to.
It appears aliens had a better grasp of defamation and contempt laws than their human interpreters.
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
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Which gaols are Dyson and Vivienne in please?
I want to write to them and I cannot find out where they are being held.
No law beyond 'do what thou wilt'
'Do what thou wilt' pretty much covers it all. Molest children.
Murder. Torture and kill animals. Crowley advocates doing whatever you
feel like, and to hell with what others suffer.
From The Book of the Law, by Aleister
Crowley:
Re: No law beyond 'do what thou wilt'
You see a line like 'do what thou wilt', the first thing you think of is child abuse, murder and torture, and you say we are the ones with the problem. Ri-i-ight.....
There is more to 'do what thou wilt' than 'do whatever you feel like'.
There isn't space here for a full examination of the meaning of 'Will' in a Thelemic/OTO context, but the information is out there, easily found. Look at books as well as web pages.
Crowley: animal torture
Crowley: "I want murder, rape...."
Crowley apparently tried to ignore
what he had written with his guided hand, but it would not go away, and from
1909 on he began to take it very seriously. He said: “After five
years of folly and weakness, miscalled politeness, tact, discretion, care for
the feeling of others, I am weary of it. I say today: to hell with
Christianity, Rationalism, Buddhism, all the lumber of the centuries. I bring
you a positive and primeval fact, Magic by name; and with this I will build me
a new Heaven and new Earth. I want none of your faint approval or faint
dispraise; I want blasphemy, murder, rape, revolution, anything, bad or good,
but strong.”
OTO
Crowley was once the head of Ordo Templis Orienti. If Crowley wanted
'murder' and 'rape', then that must be what they aspire to also.
Regardless,
these OTO people are as dangerous to people's mental health as the
Scientologists. Another stupid cult full of stupid people who can't
think for themselves.
Hopefully all this publicity will have
the cops checking out these idiots, tapping their phones and making
sure they don't do anything illegal. That's one good thing that's come
out of it.
Re: OTO
Good to see religious tolerance is alive and well down there in Oz.
Good to also see some of you also advocating police state activities on the basis that if an internet site that promotes UFOs says its true it must be.
Way to go skippy. You guys going to form a lynch mob and string them up? Guilty until proven innocent just like the good old days.
Hope to see Gaiaguys back up and running
I have been a reader of the postings of
Dyson and Vivienne several years now. They are two of the most honest
and respectable people I know of.
From America, and from all around the world, the O.T.O. SATANISTS
will feel the wrath of an ANGRY people. These OTO's and their
co-conspirators (crooked judges & sickos in government) have dug
themselves a DEEP hole, and just need to pull the dirt in over
themselves.
We support Dyson and Vivienne, and hope to see the GaiaGuys back up and running on the net stronger than ever.
Re: Hope to see Gaiaguys back up and running
“From America, and from all around the world” – the Oscars, Emmys, MacDonalds? But no “ANGRY”people. Query: are these tall angry people, or little people speaking in a LOUD voice? Never mind the length, “feel the wrath”: so how will they “feel the wrath”? Criminal act on a religious minority? “their co-conspirators” - (do you have issues with spelling or sticky keypads because you dribble too much?)
So they have “dugthemselves” a DEEP hole with dirt in “over
themselves”.
How is Dug please say hello for me. ee cummings is not defunct!
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
what prison are they in, and how long punishment can VCAT apply??
Dyson & Vivienne Address
Thanks for that address. I hope the letters don't get returned as they
don't specify the exact jail. In N.S.W. they tend to do that.
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
93
Giaguys the world Gia is in reference to Greek Mythology ie the Mother Goddess.
Are these fanatic fundementalist christians so stupid that they name their website after a PAGAN goddess and back the philosophical study of a UFO nut that says God did not just create MAN but other enities/beings in the universe.... come on... how can anyone take their comments seriously.
They deserved the court ruling and penalty. The ultimate slander anyone can make is one of child abuse. People cannot ruin anothers life by false statements of protrayed as fact. We all know how much the common man has contempt for paedophiles and the public backlash etc.This sort of slander needs to be stamped out. Bravo to the Oz courts on actually applying the law!
93/93
You and your '93'
You are an evil bunch of bastards. But it is good to have all this
publicity, as hopefully police are now taking an interest in you. It is
obvious what Crowley stood for and what you stand for. Crowley was all
for murder and animal torture. You bastards will get what is coming to
you one day.
Re: You and your '93'
93
Your obviously not a balanced individual... and have severe anger issue to deal with.
What would Jesus do? ask yourself that question.
Firstly he wouldnt have swore and wished harm to anyone for starters... practice what Jesus taught, not your own delusional, warped rantings, hypocrit!
93/93
Ordo Templis Orienti
It's good to have all this negative publicity about O.T.O., which was
founded by Aleister Crowley himself. People should be aware these kinds
of people are out there. Police should monitor them closely. Shame on
the magistrate who gave them this court victory.
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
93
Actually more disinformation Mulligrubs.
The O.T.O. was actually founded by Karl Kellner NOT Crowley.
As for the negative publicity, i think the fact that 2 fanatic christians got locked up for false allegations is negativity enough for the kook section of christianity.
PS there has been alot more atrocities from the christian community then any other in recorded history. Think about that for a momment before "casting the first stone"
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O.T.O. Crackpots
Many websites state Crowley started the whole stupid organization. So
why are you promoting that creep's books on YOUR website? FYI, Dyson
and Vivienne, good friends of mine, are NOT Christians AT ALL. They
believe in a lot of strange UFO stuff. I hear someone has made a fresh
complaint to Crimestoppers re. O.T.O. Since you are following Crowley's
crap, there must be some nasty stuff happening in secret, and the cops
need to have your phones tapped and follow every move. Don't try to
tell me you are innocent, bastards.
Very evil Crowley
So you think this Crowley, whose books you promote, has good ideas that
you ought to follow? You people are sick. Crowley was mad. Where are
the atheists around here when you need them? These fruitcakes worship
satan.
LIAR 93
Fucking liar, Crowley did found that organization - and Kellner as well.
Aleister Crowley, feted by O.T.O.
Here is a nice quote:
In the "New Comment" to the Book of the Law,
"the Beast 666 adviseth that all children shall be accustomed from
infancy to witness every type of sexual act, as also the process of
birth, lest falsehood fog, and mystery stupefy, their
minds...Politeness has forbidden any direct reference to the subject of
sex to secure no happier result than to allow Sigmund Freud and others
to prove that our every thought, speech, and gesture, conscious or
unconscious, is an indirect reference!" And indeed, according to
Freudian Steven Marcus, men in Victorian England had a common sexual
fetish for thinly veiled descriptions of men spanking boys.(In their reformatory institutions for children, men "were allowed to
birch their inmates across the bare buttocks until the early 1920s,
when under government pressure the cane or tawse over trousers became
standard."
Many have cited one or both of these quotes from Crowley, without
context, as proof of immorality and sometimes of a vast child-abusing
conspiracy.
It's from Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley
So bastards, do you let your children witness every type of sexual act? Under N.S.W. law, that is illegal. Cops take note.
Re: Aleister Crowley, feted by O.T.O.
"do you let your children witness every type of sexual act?"
No actually. We tend to ignore this one. Crowley was trying to remove the sting and shame of sex from society. A good goal, but exposing kids to sex ain't a good idea.
I see that you are one of those who see this statement as proof of a vast child-abusing conspiracy. . .
93.
Crowley and Racism
It is undisputed that the O.T.O. promotes Aleister Crowley's books.
Crowley
defended the use of violence against the Chinese. He applied the word
'nigger' to Italians. He called Indians 'negroid'. His published
expressions of antisemitism are alarming.
He considered women to be secondary social beings. He is commonly known as the 'father of modern satanism'.
And
here we have a web page from the U.S. 'Grand Lodge', Ordo Templis
Orienti, promoting Crowley, known as 'the most evil man who ever lived':
http://oto-usa.org/crowley.html
And OTO Australia:
http://www.otoaustralia.org.au/statement.htm
I would really like to see law enforcement agents inflitrate this group and find out just what is going on.
Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
Dear Misguided Dyson Devine and Vivienne Legg
Well, now you're in prison after all your lies. If you happen to get out of prison; you
should come to my website where the reading thereof will educate you on the truth on
who we are. I am the greatest genius; and leading authority in these matters and no one
but myself is qualified to discern between such items.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/7069/
I am the true head of the O.T.O.; being the Inner Head of the Order;
and I was very happy to see you two in prison. Now, let that be a lesson to you
and if you are caught lying again; you return to prison with an even longer sentence.
Bill Morgan has been slandering us of late, as well, and it might very well take another
court case with he as the next to go to prison. I have been told by my assistant Mr. William
Breeze that Bill Morgan is another dangerous liar. He should be publicly warned that we are
a harmless religious group; and his slander will only result in lawyers and court rooms.
Since we are NOT Satanists; nor in any way break any laws in any country; I see more
slanderers need to be shown the error of their ways.
Stand warned; and I, G.M. Kelly will not tolerate you, this imbecile Bill Morgan or anyone
else lying about the O.T.O.; and as its Leader will find you and sue you again and again until
justice is done in the courts.
Yours Truly,
G.M. Kelly
Head of the O.T.O. world wide
Imbecile
It's obvious who the imbecile is.
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
Some sanity, please. I doubt that Mr Kelly is who he says he is (OTO are at least literate). But he - and many of the OTO apologists here - are wrong in saying that Devine & Legg were gaoled for what they said about OTO. They were not, because gaol is not a routine option for "remedy" in VCAT. VCAT seeks to find a negotiated resolution between complainant and perpetrator.
Devine & Legg were gaoled for not being present when they were expected, and were gaoled for contempt of court. This had nothing to do with the subject of the case. The offending material had already been removed from their site and they had apparently wrongly been told by a court official that they could return home to NSW. Their crime was naivety. Read the press reports of their release (28 Feb) and you will see that the court was sympathetic to them.
The hearing was revealing, not the least because it flushed out a dozen or so OTO supporters. Not an impressive bunch.
One thing we can say: As a result of their legal action, we all know a lot more about this strange bunch than we did before. What troubles me is that their legal representatives were able to convince the VCAT that OTO is a valid religion in terms of Victorian law. But then, they had no opposing counsel to test that claim and Devine and Legg were not present either.
Truly amazing
that freedom of speech is treated with such contempt in Victoria,
Australia. My sympathies to Dyson and Vivienne and none at all to the
above G.M. Kelly.
Some interesting reading for you
Recommended Reading: These will give you some idea of the sort of information being suppressed.
"Reina Michaelson's Story" by Dr Reina Michaelson (Young Australian of the Year '97)
"Blood on the Altar: The Secret History of the World's Most Dangerous Secret Society" by Craig Heimbichner (Thanks Maadj)
"Secret Rituals of the Ordo Templi Orientis" by Samuel Weiser
"The Book of Law" by Aleister Crowley (Founder of OTO, Master Mason & Satanist)
Re: Gaiaguys.net shut down by VCAT for contempt.
93
Since when was freedom of speech used as a instrument to fabricate complete lies...
honestly listen to yourself.
93/93
Evil 93
Fuck off, you evil fascist bastard pig.
Re: Evil 93
Ah....yes.....we are getting excited over stuff tonight, aren't we. I'm not sure if you're allowed to say that or not! After all, '93' has not identified whether he is an evil fascist bastard pig. I'll have to re-read the editorial guidelines. But I have to admit I'm inclined to agree with you.
Dyson and Vivienne are free, I think
According to this article in a Victorian newspaper:
A couple jailed for defying Victoria'sreligious vilification law have apologised and gone free, the last seven monthsof their sentence remitted. Dyson Devine, 58, and Vivienne Legg, 39, weresentenced to nine months' jail after defying an order to remove material fromtheir website that said members of an occult religion ran a pedophile ring inVictoria, had sex with children and murdered them. Victorian police drove tonorthern NSW twice to bring them back, first to attend a contempt hearingbefore Judge Marilyn Harbison in November, then again in January to beginnine-month jail terms after they went home in the middle of the contempthearing. Yesterday both apologised to Judge Harbison and the Victorian Civiland Administrative Tribunal, and undertook not to repeat, or help anyone elseto publish, the vilifying material about the Ordo Templi Orientis But David Leggatt, for the OTO,complained that the vilification had a "grapevine effect". It hadbeen removed from the pair's website, Gaiaguys.net, in December, but soon appearedon www.adamdodson.org. Simon Moglia,for Mr Devine and Ms Legg, said they had not helped the new website. He saidthey at first saw their non-compliance as individuals standing for theirbeliefs. But when they realised that resisting the tribunal encouraged othersto disobey the law, they closed down their website. He said they lived withoutmains electricity, eating fruit and vegetables they grew themselves and subsistingon superannuation payments. They spent their time as whistleblowers and takingan interest in ethics and corruption, and apart from this had never come topolice attention. Last week, the couple's application for a judicial review washeard in the Supreme Court, and the decision reserved.
Re: Dyson and Vivienne are free, I think
93
Below are the facts actually.
Yesterday both apologised to Judge Harbison and the Victorian
Civil and Administrative Tribunal, and undertook not to repeat, or
help anyone else to publish, the vilifying material about the Ordo
Templi Orientis (OTO).
93/93
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