Kate Ceberano losing the plot
Kate Ceberano may be a half decent singer but her increasing
public pronouncements on the evils of psychiatry and all forms of medication
are making her look as loopy as her Scientology colleague Tom Cruise.
Ceberano has been a Scientologist for many years but lately
she has increasingly offered up her celeb status to back Scientology publicity
stunts, like the recent “exhibition”, entitled ‘Psychiatry:
an Industry of Death’. (subtle isn’t it)
The plan by the “church” seems to be to
latch on to a legitimate issue of public concern, like the over-prescription of
ADHD drugs and pretend to be making a valid criticism.
But what’s really behind this pretense
of concern is an absolute, pathological hatred of the entire psychiatric and psychological
professions.
Since L. Ron Hubbard put the kybosh on
all mental health carers in the 1950’s, his “church” has gone all out to demonise
them and now seems to be stepping up the campaign.
As we saw recently the church’s top
poster boy Tom Cruise even hates the temporary use of ant-depressants for post natal depression. (or as they call it in the US, post partum depression).
Ceberano opened the “Industry of death”
conference in Melbourne
with her husband wearing a T-shirt with the slogan “psychiatry is a fraud” (again,
note the subtle message).
Of course anyone suggesting
Scientology is a fraud is bitterly attacked as a “religious bigot” but defaming
the whole mental health profession is OK.
Ceberano may well be doing damage to
her own career with her increasingly bizarre outbursts.
Cruise already appears to have lost
the plot and his public image has declined in the last two years. See: http://www.tomcruiseisnuts.com/
**Please note: The “Citizens Commission
on human rights” is a Scientology front group and should be treated with
extreme skepticism.
** Scientology also claims Psychiatry has
its roots in Nazism and is inherently evil. For info visit: http://www.clambake.org/archive/infopack/12.htm
** Scientology news item on Kate
Ceberano: http://www.scientology.net.au/news/articles/2007/11/28/14
article written by melanie
Re: Kate Ceberano losing the plot
about time someone stood up to the psychiatric and psychological professions: the worst bunch of shalitans ever !!
they are modern day witchdoctors and voodoo practictioners!
Re: Kate Ceberano losing the plot
Tom Cruise could use some Psychiatry - he's a nutter.
Re: Kate Ceberano losing the plot
Read the TIME MAGAZINE cover story:
"Scientology, The Thriving Cult of Greed and
Power"
Ruined lives. Lost fortunes. Federal crimes. Scientology
poses as a religion but really is a ruthless global scam -- and aiming for the
mainstream.
http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/time.htm
religion again
religious cults are dangerous. if it's not the mainstream churches teaching people that critical thought isn't necessary, and that you should just 'have faith' in the existence of all powerful consciesness, its eastern mystics, or shamans claiming special powers, witch doctors pointing bones.
New agers are in the same bag too, they believe all sorts of crazy shuff.
Scientology is just another modern day cult which takes advantage of the gullible.
http://www.skepdic.com/dianetic.html
However, I do believe psychiatry needs heavy criticism, indeed, everything needs skepticism, that is the scientific way which has liberated us from superstition and the dark ages.
For reason and rationalism.
Re: religion again
Well, I am no scientologist but consider most psychiatry practice as fraud too.
This painting of all opponents of Phychology
as ‘cultists” is simply in the interest of phychology as a business of individualism.
The pretence that anybody who does not accept Phychology as Science must be a strange cultist.
The more Phychology petty bourgeois graduates there are the more phychology ‘diseases” ‘pathologies” and suitable therapies they can invent. They all need to treat “patients” to make a living.
They do not deal with the problems of society but of getting patients to adjust their minds to better accept present day society.
Remember the “scientists’ at Chelmsford?
The treatment of homosexuals and other non-conforming maladjusted to capitalist society individuals ,by ‘sleep therapy”, electric shock or, and anyone else by any available pacifying drugs.
And yes they can justify their practises with ‘reason and rationalism” too as they have formed their ideas as derived from Freudian pure reason on dream analysis and such nonsense on what the individual and the unconscious is and on the acceptability of the need for adjusting the individual to present day society.
Not much different from a 'rationalist" religion and a danger to society.
The individuals ideas as the problem, not current reality, as the problem for the individuals in that society.
Mainly they are Quacks that serve capitalist society with their view of the bourgeois individual, as the ‘human nature” norm for humanity.
If you cannot adjust to their professional 'scientific "view of that you are sick
Science as dreaming ?
Go get a lobotomy.
A friendly Phychologist to prescribe one, can still be found , if the price is right.
Re: religion again
yes science has its frauds, its corruptions and it has it's incorrect theories, but over time these things get weeded out. It's the process which is important. All science should be viewed with skeptecism, that's what scientists do! Fresh minds come along and debunk the old ways, like Einstein did to Newtons theory gravity.
errhm no
whats wrong with newton's theory on gravity. Einstein only equated mass to energy at the speed of light which noone has even tested haha
Re: Kate Ceberano losing the plot
Two views here on the scientific method
One as reason and permanent scepticism, science as the current accepted view and the other as testing in practice.
But the diverter simply seeks to make the subject an argument on Gravity.
And is not sticking to the subject psychology as “science”
Re: Kate Ceberano could be brainwashed
Scientology ????
Well Pschiatry as its called - only deal with doctors who deal drugs,
I think scientology maybe deals out herbs or maybe they practice pschology, I am sure Jung was opposed to Sigmund Freud the Jewish man who developed Pschiatry. Note pschology & Pschiatry are different & I think Scientology is based on Pschology as opposed to dealing out drugs too people. Anyhow we must realise that Pschiatry & Pschology or call Pschology Scientology if you want but you have to realise alot of Hypnosis is involved with Scientology & Pschology as opposed to Pschiatry which just hands you drugs & lets you kind of try & live your own life as best as you can.
So if you want to be brainwashed sign yourself up with scientology & get hypnotised using Hubbards techniques as well as some of Jungs techniques as well.
Or just take a few drugs, illicit or legal & try to live the best you can, do abit of work with the community try & play a positive role & dont let people get you down, especially extremists, the world would be better if everybody just helped out a little bit instead of demanding everything for nothing.
Psychiatrists and benzos
For years psychiatrists drugged women (mainly bored housewives) with
Valium and other benzodiazepines. These drugs are known to be as
addictive as heroin and in fact, getting off them is more difficult and
painful than getting off heroin. Psychiatrists knew damn well they were
getting these women hooked (very few men were offered drugs of this
kind) yet they went ahead and kept doing it. Valium is another
psychiatric drug that often leads to suicide and has horrific side
effects.
hahah diverter masterplan Mojo !!
if you learn to read between the lines, its obvious that "current accepted view" should be challenged and can be often replaced.
if psychology and psychiatry are science fields then they should be open to scrutiny.
And yes psychology and psychiatry started if not blossomed in the Nazi concentration camps
For once I agree with you, Wombat
Psychiatry has been a tool of Nazi and communist oppression. It was
psychiatrists who signed the death warrants for the disabled in Nazi
Germany. It was psychiatrists who signed the certificates of insanity
for incarceration of dissidents in Russia. In N.S.W. it is
psychiatrists who sign HealthQuest certificates which cause dissident
public servants to lose their jobs and go on disability pensions due to
non-existent psychiatric conditions.
Re: For once I agree with you, Wombat
This is Australia its not NAZI Germany neither is it Stalinist Russia, (though I hope its not !!!) If it is then something is pretty stuffed up.
So your trying to tell me we have concentration camps where people work as slave labourers, get real. If people work they get paid to work & we currently have high employment, especially in Sydney I dont know that much about Melbourne though !!!! Though Sydney is quite a hard working industrial hub & I would not refer the place as being a concentration camp either its just a hard working city where people work hard & get too take holidays when they have time off work. Sydney is the manufacturing hub of Australia as far as I know.
Re: For once I agree with you, Wombat
Anybody that thinks that sydney is an industrial hub has been sleeping for 30 or 40 years and went to bed in the protectionist era
next we will be told about the big Industrial proletariat..
True no concentration camps exist.
just imported 457 visa workers as indentured labour.earning at least $41,000 dollars a year or so .
Or so the governments and businessmen assure us.
You're an annoying bastard
You've spent all frigging day putting up these weird posts - have you
been on the piss or something? Are you going away soon? I hope so.
Either that or start making some sense.
Re: Kate Ceberano losing the plot
The fact that the mental health field has some serious problems including the over-resort to drugs and cases of abuse, DOES NOT prove the case for aboloshing ALL psychiatrists and psycologists.
Make no mistake, this is want Scientologists want to do. It's totally irrational.
By all means push for radical reform and push for psychiatric mediaction being a last resort, but there's something else going on here.
Research it - Hubbard and the CCHR aren't just abust about exposing psychiatric abuses - they believe that ALL "psychs" as they call them are EVIL.
Read what they did to Lisa McPherson:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_McPherson
Name someone a psychiatrist has cured
They are quacks - and in some countries are not even permitted to use the title 'Doctor'.
Name
someone they have killed? Every day someone is killed by a
psychiatrist. Last week for example, a psychiatrist put a young woman
on a seratonin uptake inhibitor drug, well known to cause suicides,
(she was not suicidal before this) and she jumped off Bulli Tops a few
days later. Any other doctors whose patients were regularly dying would
face a big investigation. But not psychiatrists, apparently.
I
am not a scientologist and I have nothing but contempt for these lying,
cheating, killer- drug-dealing, murdering bastards who will say whatever the
person paying them wants. See the articles on HealthQuest for more
details.
Re: Name someone a psychiatrist has cured
Well what about psychologists? They don't even have the power to issue prescriptions. They only do counselling so why do Scientologists hate them?
Psychologists
Psychologists at HealthQuest, the N.S.W. government medical office,
wield huge power. They are permitted to 'certify' people 'insane'. Hadi
Stambouliah is one of the more notorious ones: he issued
'certifications' of 'dementia' against dozens of public servants
throughout the '90s and he is still practising. Psychologists base
their practice on pscyhiatry and the DSM IV. They are capable of nearly
as much evil as psychiatrists but I will say there are some
psychologists who I would not classify as evil liars. Only some. They
are still allowed to give false testimony in court, according to who is
paying them the best bribe.
Re: Psychologists
so pye you agree with the scientologists - ALL psychiatrists and psychologists are pure evil and we must abolish both professions?
in your mind its not a question of 5, 10, 20 % unethical and in need of reform - its the whole thing.
you have never met anyone who needed mental health care and was helped by the profession? what a load of crap.
heaps of industries have serious problems - maybe more than 20% of dentists are crap - should we abolish dentistry?
Brian says 'don't lose the plot' via YouTube here ...
YouTube - Life of Brian
You are all individuals! ... Monty Python's Life of Brian ...
.......................
Not sure if its actually relevant, but its damn funny either way.
Re: Kate Ceberano losing the plot
When will the government again step in and deal with this dangerous and destructive cult? Way back in the 1960's Dianetics/Scientology was fully exposed as a real danger to society and mental health of people in the Report of the Board of Enquiry into Scientology by Kevin Victor Anderson, Q.C.
The danger to mental health is further emphasized by the peculiar basis of scientology. Its practitioners use techniques based on impossible theories and directed towards the treatment of "conditions" said to be brought about by completely fictitious circumstances. Based on fantasy, scientology has built up a body of "knowledge" which is fanciful and simply not true: thus scientology treats its imaginary "diseases" or conditions with its own fantastic procedures. The alarming feature is that real diseases and conditions do exist and often the fantastic scientology procedures are positively harmful to the real condition. It is like applying an oxy-welding torch to a leaking rubber tube to weld on a patch of rubber over a hole that does not exist, the real trouble being a leaking valve.
It is unnecessary to dwell further at any length on the harm which scientology has done and can do to the mental health of the community. It is not to be doubted that scientology techniques worsen and prolong the mental troubles of the mentally ill and that they produce in even a normal person disturbances and anxieties which may precipitate mental trouble.
What most people and scientologists dont even know is, that the opposition to psychiatry/psychology from scientology/ists is based solely on the premise that evil galactic aliens are trying to enslave us all. You think I am making it up? Then spend some time doing research or find some ex-members that were 'upper bridge'. Chances are that Ceberano has to follow in Cruises footsteps because of the OT Level she is doing. I could fill the body of this message with so much of hubbards copyrighted lunacies, but as sure as clams (follow the link and see why scientologists are called clams) trawl the Internet to try handle opposition, so is the fact the cults lawyers try to intimidate websites with threats of litigation.
Ceberano doing what she does leads to people not only dying, but also killing their loved ones when refused psychiatric treatment. Remeber the double murders last July in Sydney after a woman was refused ongoing psychiatry by her scientology adhering parents? It wasnt the first time it has happened.People need to learn all about the cult of scientology and its various front groups it operates under. World Youth Day is coming to Australia and Scientology Inc's front group ',a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_for_Human_Rights_International#Criticism">Youth for Human Rights' will be out more than ever to recruit people into hubbards insanities.
Watch and listen to hubbard speak of galactic concspiracies, champion/praise Aliester Crowley's use of magick and speak so < a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2594270091066150939">many lunacies that you cannot begin to fathom how insane scientology makes people.
If you want a better understanding of scientology/dianetics, think George Orwells 1984
Kate Ceberano losing the plot
When will the government again step in and deal with this dangerous and destructive cult? Way back in the 1960's Dianetics/Scientology was fully exposed as a real danger to society and mental health of people in the Report of the Board of Enquiry into Scientology by Kevin Victor Anderson, Q.C.
The danger to mental health is further emphasized by the peculiar basis of scientology. Its practitioners use techniques based on impossible theories and directed towards the treatment of "conditions" said to be brought about by completely fictitious circumstances. Based on fantasy, scientology has built up a body of "knowledge" which is fanciful and simply not true: thus scientology treats its imaginary "diseases" or conditions with its own fantastic procedures. The alarming feature is that real diseases and conditions do exist and often the fantastic scientology procedures are positively harmful to the real condition. It is like applying an oxy-welding torch to a leaking rubber tube to weld on a patch of rubber over a hole that does not exist, the real trouble being a leaking valve.
It is unnecessary to dwell further at any length on the harm which scientology has done and can do to the mental health of the community. It is not to be doubted that scientology techniques worsen and prolong the mental troubles of the mentally ill and that they produce in even a normal person disturbances and anxieties which may precipitate mental trouble.
What most people and scientologists dont even know is, that the opposition to psychiatry/psychology from scientology/ists is based solely on the premise that evil galactic aliens are trying to enslave us all. You think I am making it up? Then spend some time doing research or find some ex-members that were 'upper bridge'. Chances are that Ceberano has to follow in Cruises footsteps because of the OT Level she is doing. I could fill the body of this message with so much of hubbards copyrighted lunacies, but as sure as clams (follow the link and see why scientologists are called clams) trawl the Internet to try handle opposition, so is the fact the cults lawyers try to intimidate websites with threats of litigation.
Ceberano doing what she does leads to people not only dying, but also killing their loved ones when refused psychiatric treatment. Remeber the double murders last July in Sydney after a woman was refused ongoing psychiatry by her scientology adhering parents? It wasnt the first time it has happened.People need to learn all about the cult of scientology and its various front groups it operates under. World Youth Day is coming to Australia and Scientology Inc's front group 'Youth for Human Rights' will be out more than ever to recruit people into hubbards insanities.
Watch and listen to hubbard speak of galactic concspiracies, champion/praise Aliester Crowley's use of magick and speak so < a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2594270091066150939">many lunacies that you cannot begin to fathom how insane scientology makes people.
If you want a better understanding of scientology/dianetics, think George Orwells 1984.
Re: Kate Ceberano losing the plot
Many Marxists are opposed to psychiatry too .So it is not just a matter of opposition by religious cults. As shown by this extract from an article entitled . “ Gender and the struggle to abolish psychology”.
All the religions ,as accepted cults or not ,put forward a similar view of human nature and capitalism has its 'accepted" view of the individual and society too
What is the science in this extract following criticising the not just the theories but mainly the practice and harmrfull social effect of these “sciences” ?
“Psychology, psychiatry in particular, is a reactionary assault against oppressed nationalities, homeless persyns, children, wimmin, gender and sexual minorities, many of whom are outright forced into the mental so-called health care system for purposes of social control.
The movement to establish universal and potentially mandatory mental health screening is attempt to raise psychological surveillance and control to a qualitatively higher level where mental health screening is even more frequent for oppressed-nation children than dental check-ups.
The oppressors engage in the therapy culture because that culture corresponds to their parasitic interests and does not threaten the whole system of privilege. In the united $tates, most people are oppressors and one of the few dynamics opposing petty-bourgeois individualism is the natural humyn curiousity in math and science. We hope to interest the oppressor in long-term questions of math, probability and statistics--so that the petty-bourgeoisie can understand why psychology is so ineffective. The same path is open to oppressed to escape the intellectual dominance of the oppressor.
The oppressed must develop their own independent institutions and practices for handling "neuroses," institutions that do not pretend as if an oppressive society without anxieties and conflicts were possible. Revolutionary politics must be in command, not Liberal phony promises of drug/therapy cure-alls for socially caused "mental illnesses." The exploited and oppressed seek to cultivate revolutionary feelings, not stifle and extinguish them through drugs or therapy sessions that pretend to have no political viewpoint. The therapy culture is disgusting reactionary decadence and a slap in the face to the oppressed, who need and demand better than that.
"Experts" who encourage people to think of themselves (or their children or their intimate partners) as psychiatric patients or therapy clients represent a reactionary trend. What motivates this trend is not just money, but also the oppressors' desperation in the face of an increasingly decadent imperialist society.
The struggle to abolish psychology and psychiatry involves a struggle to eradicate the whole decadent and oppressive mentality of therapy and psychiatric drugs.’
http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/gender/psychology042005.html
the real problem/issue !!!
scientology is seen as a threat to psychiatry because scientology also exposes psychiatry as a fraud.
its the same kinda envy bw the medicos and chiros
Re: Kate Ceberano losing the plot
Yes , it seems there has been two trends in Marxism ,one like those finally in control of The USSR that in the end went along with the psychiatrists and used it as a tool for social control to lock up their opponents and dissidents .
And the other trend represented by the crazy Mao who it seems abolished the science and practice of psychiatry during the ‘cultural revolution” altogether and sent the psychiatrists out to work growing cabbages and the like.
What a waste of modern scientific knowledge.
Maybe he was a closet scientologist?
Mao was obviously A suitable case in need of help and psychiatric treatment himself if ever there was one.
Re: Kate Ceberano losing the plot
I don't want to get all 'new age' on your arses and all, but have you tried...sit
ups? maybe a fruit cup? six to eight glasses of water a day? I'm not
telling you how to live but merely suggesting a way to feel better
about yourself.
It has become apparent to me over recent
years that Hatha Yoga improves physical and mental well-being. I can
understand why thousands of years of self-healing yoga practice is
ignored by religious cults, big pharma and Kate Ceberano (luv your work
but).
I don't know too much about the church of appliantology, I never craved a toaster or a colour TeeVee, but I have lost a few friends to the cult of Landmark Forum, which I believe has a similar space-cadet factor.
namaste
'in readiness for the mother-ship'
Re: Kate Ceberano losing the plot
For all the ins and out of this discussion on the varous claims of scientolgy and phychiatry to be the true science of human personality and of curing the individuals mind problems, the bussiness of psychiatry was best summed up by the call to look at its actual practice and the results acheived by these consultation and electric shock peddlers and drug dealers .
On January 6th, 2008 Pyewacket said :
Name somebody they have cured.
They are quacks - and in some countries are not even permitted to use the title 'Doctor'.
Name
someone they have killed? Every day someone is killed by a
psychiatrist.
Re: Kate Ceberano losing the plot
The statement "every day someone is KILLED by a psychiatrist" is extreme and you have offered no evidence to back it up?
Re: Kate Ceberano losing the plot
oh come on already! leave Kate alone! she can do what she likes and its not religion that could change ur opinion on someone!!!! Kate's a really genuine woman and the most NORMAL person i know!! i love Kate coz of who she really is! shes truly amazing!!!!!
xo
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