Neo-Nazis at APEC

Thanks for the explanation....I was watching TV and saw 'national anarchists' so I was looking for Cameron. 

fucking master race my ass.

militant Inbreeder retards.

Unfortunately theres no Tin Foil hattery involved.

http://www.newrightausnz.org/front.html

FightDemBack has been monitoring these guys for a while, and we do know that they previously turned up at the G20 melbourne protests.

They wear "Black blocker" type gear, and are believed to be interested in stiring shit with cops.

They should NOT be confused with Anarchists, as they are principally white supremacists.

The website above is completely bonkers. Noam Chomsky side by side with Dave Duke. Complete fruit salad incoherence.

FightDemBack advises activists to stear AWAY from members of the "National Anarchists", and if possible let the FDB crew know anything you can. The "New Right/National Anarchist" people are strongly associated with the Neo-Nazi "Australia First" party, and should be treated with maximum personal caution.

Do NOT aproach these people, and if you are threatened with violence, don't be a martyr; you can come up with excuses for your activist friends why you called the cops when your out of danger.

But try and discourage these guys from your action. As a group you should be pretty safe, and in these circumstances you can confront them and ask them to leave. They are not there to support what we support. They are there to stir hate and violence, and they have done it before.

Don

FDB

ps: For a laugh, check out the image on the site. Its still advertising the Apec meeting as "Protest the G20 summit in sydney". Yeah, they are that clueless.

Also, if anyone has photos, FDB would  be *very* interested.

http://fightdemback.org

Hey Don.

The reference to "tinfoil helmets" was made following the posting of a comment, since removed, along fairly similar lines to that above. (That is, "It's in 'Revelations' people!", etcetera.) As for G20, a handful of local, Melbourne-based racist twats possibly traveled up to Sydney for the event, presumably in the company of teenage fascists like Scott H..

Anonymous: yes, photos of the neo-Nazis were taken. They will hopefully be in circulation some time in the next few days.

For further discussion:

http://slackbastard.anarchobase.com/?p=838

I am writing from Germany and like to share my love and power for all antifascist activists. What I must node is the fact that the Neofascist-Structure in the last five years has to undermine left symbolic by passing black clothes and several political consumptions as new strategy for youth subcultures in urban areas. Here we face another treat on emancipation when we are not reflecting our own direct actions. Give them hell by debates on Querfront as common and new socio-psychological behaviour as defeat.!

Fire and Flames from Hamburg/Germany

This neo nazi group was dealt with on the day simply by ostracising them from the overall protest with the help of the general public, protest organisers and (to their credit) the police. It isn't a case of not approaching them but on the contrary, getting 'right' into their faces and letting them know they had been exposed.

Neo nazism in anarchist garb will not be tolerated, and it wasn't. They didn't last long and were soon sent scurrying back to whence they came.

Sure, but what I mean is don't aproache them when you are now with a crowd.

They ARE cowards, so as a group you can ask them to leave in safety (I think/hope) but they are violent nasty cowards,  

Also, good work makeing them fuck off guys. Awesome stuff. 

We need to watch out for these fascist pigs.

Smash the fucks.

Well, how democratic of us. There are people out there in the real world that do not have our socialistic beliefs but are still against globalization. And they dare to protest WITH us.Can you explain to me what was so fascist or racists about them? Nothing! I saw the banners and while I understand them I do not agree with them. But that is life. On Saturday you as the mob showed what we really are - socialist totalitarians!You only give people the right to speak as long as it is in your guide lines. That's what Hitler did. And your actions proof it. You spit on people and abused them, threatened them with violence and ASKED the police to remove them. They did nothing but to stand up against Howard, Bush and the whole issue of globalization. But they also had to stand up against a dogmatic crowd that took on a hooligan attitude, shouted 'Nazis' and acted without thinking; just like a mad crowd of cows.

I for one was ashamed to see this display of hatred against a small group of people. We suppose to be for peace and equality, but all what we did is act like what we accuse this people to be – Nazis.

I agree, some of you guys are a pack of hypocrites. We have more in common with these National Anarchists(!?) then we do with those people that support Bush and HoWARd's pro-war agenda.

I pursuaded one gent all in black and skin head to leave the police line alone and come and have a photo taken with the Bondi Beach reverend. He liked that idea of  vain attention as I expected he would. This 'nice' chap was later arrested probably for picking up on his baiting habit again later, and is in much tv footage. I think the above string tells the story quite well. Very muscular, very square, and pushy.

Another guy all in black with balaclava. I asked him 'can you you please not do that, I really disagree with that, I want you to know that' Sure enough he featured in alot of tv arrest footage too. 

Again the above string says alot about him. These were both 'at the back of the march near the George St bus road block I had my interactions.

Look at the ARTV webcast of caution speech by organiser Damian Lawson. It fills in the picture.

For those who think free speech is absolute, sorry I disagree, it is a powerful tool and requires responsibility. We have laws against hate speech for exactly that reason.

Further on the moral turf - this rally, protest march was organised and the parameters set at least in terms of moral social capital by that Stop Bush Coalition. It was never a free for all. That's an invention by folks who like to steal a bit of social capital generated and organised by the SBC labour. Such folks can always organise their own thing under their own name and NOT coat tail. A less charitable description is parasitise, or hijack. And that goes for hard left and hard right. It was always organised as a "peaceful protest" and that's why 10,000 attended too.

Well done SBC 

I suspect that the above comments praising the New Reich were either made by fascist trolls or people unaware of the real nature of their politics (but probably the former). You shouldn't judge a book by its cover, and the nature of the New Reich's politics, and the political milieu out of which it emerged, is discovered easily enough -- that is, if you actually look. Further, opposing fascism -- that is, anti-fascism -- is part of the democratic tradition; a successful fascist movement spells the end of democracy. As for their banners, they incorporated both anarchist and white supremacist symbols: for example, the red and black star and the Celtic cross. And the above post about 'social capital' etcetera is just plain nonsense.

This issue has been addressed at past anti-summit events. The best I remember seeing was I believe in Czechoslovakia, can't remember which summit. The accepted that there would be a diversity of tactics used and that some of the tactics were incompatible. Their solution was to co-operate in the areas they could, keep a dialog open but on the day protest in separate and predefined zones.

This way the more pacifist didn't interfere with the more militant and vice versa. In this context I think one of the commentators is right that there is a right for each group to have the freedom to associate with who they choose. In this case the problem is that the SBC became a defacto broad coalition which didn't explicitly warn off who was incompatible (as far as I can see).

In other countries (say Greece, Germany, Spain) the separate zones idea is more relevant than in Australia where we don't have a tradition of street confrontations.

For the record I hate Nazis and the idea of National Anarchists is a real perversion of traditional anarchist (libertarian socialist) thought. It is luck that there wasn't a significant contingent of typical Black Bloc anarchists as bloody fighting between them and the 'National Anarchists' would have been guaranteed. Judging by the experience of Fascist rallies in other countries the Police removing them from the street is normally for the Fascist's own protection from anti-facist counter demonstrators. 

If they really got 20 people together for this facsist bloc (not anarchist) then it seems there is need for more anti-fascist organising in Sydney.

It seemed that 30 people showed up in Sydney to protest Globalisation in a social and economic aspect. Sadly there seemed to be a never ending horde of totalitarian fascists there to attack these peaceful protestors.

 I salute the thousands of people that did their march and protested Bush and the capitalist world leaders, those who refused to permit the National Anarchists their freedom to speech and right to protest... Shame on you all!

Yeah I was there and saw the 30 odd "National Anarchists" [eh?].

I even managed a few words with a couple of them, apparently they are white nationalist [racist] but also anti statist.

Its slightly interesting in a perverted kind of way, I looked up whats going on overseas with it, and it looks like the ideology CAN grab a few people, soits probably worth keeping an eye on, even if they are pretty small now.

Who are the real fascists? The people who show up to protest peacefully (The New Right), or the "anti-fascists" who tried to (but failed) to put an end to free speech, by attempting to deny the New Righters ability to protest?

1) Regarding the creation of 'zones': yes, this is a semi-formalised practice at major anti-summit demonstrations in Europe, and has been for some years. When you refer to Czechoslovakia (the Czech Republic), you may be thinking of the anti-IMF/World Bank demonstrations that took place there in September, 2000, at which there were three main protest formations, loosely categorised according to politics and presumed tactical preference. However, it should be noted that at this manifestation, there was also a small neo-Nazi presence. Or at least, attempted presence. It was dealt with rather severely by antifa, and thus the issue of its being present (or not) and in which 'zone' (if any) rendered redundant. This illustrates the point that, among the anarchists and the left generally, there is no place for fascists at public protests, and they will be removed, forcibly if necessary.

2) The number of neo-Nazis has been estimated at being anywhere from 15 to 40, with 30 being the most common figure.

3) None of the neo-Nazis were assaulted. At worst, they suffered some heckling. They did not join the march for two reasons. One, a small group of women held a banner in front of them. Two, the police suggested that they may like to go elsewhere so as to avoid potential conflict with other protesters. The neo-Nazis chose not to press the issue and, having made their point, decided to leave instead.

4) Yes, 'national anarchism' is an oxymoron, and the phrase was noted as such upon its emergence a few years ago. However, its chief purpose is not to serve as a rational account of the world or as a political perspective upon it but as a marketing exercise for some very old and all-too familiar ideas. This also explains the use of anarchist imagery and rhetoric.

Why is it such a surprise that far rightists march in what is traditional territory of the far left?

There has been a convergence over the past few years and some would say that it is near complete. Last year there was the appalling spectacle of the "right to kidnap" demonstrations organised by the "Stop the War Coalition".  in Victoria a racist candidate has been chosen by the Socialist Alliance to run in the seat of Gellibrand. On Indymedia, articles by the crypto-nazi 9/11 truth movement are presented as gospel.

However bad the politics of the "National Anarchists", at least they are honest in comparison to the "leftists" of the Socialist Alliance.

Young Turk: Why a surprise? Obviously, because apart from a handful of relatively anonymous cardigan-wearing old bigots of various hues, the presence of neo-Nazis at major protests is a relatively novel phenomenon, and the 'far left' is in reality far more likely to counter-protest a fascist demonstration than it is to join it. On the other hand, the 'far right' is simply far too weak numerically to mount their own counter-protests.

Of course, it appears that this rather facetious line of questioning is really only intended to render your next statement that much more reasonable; namely, that there "has been a [political] convergence over the past few years and some would say it is near complete"; where "some" means 'you'.

The evidence you present supporting this supposed 'convergence' gives new meaning to the term 'flimsy'.

More to the point, it has nothing to do with the New Reich, or the subject at hand. Further, if your thesis had any real strength, the New Reich would have been recognised as being at a point of 'convergence' with the protest as a whole (erroneously presumed to consist solely of the 'far left'), and therefore have been welcomed. Which is, of course, not what happened.

I didn't believe National Anarchism existed.

But it actually does!? Apparently?

It was created by one guy called Peter Topfer? in Germany and some other guy called Troy Southgate from Britain.

By not allowing people to march against globalization just because they have different political views is inherently fascist in itself. So in other words, if we refuse to let them march we are being fascists or perhaps stalinists ourselves?

Why is it okay for a Socialist to protest, but not a Nationalist?

I'm sure there were a number of 'nationalists' present at the march. However, most people have more sense than to allow neo-Nazis on their streets.

"National Anarchists" are Nazis in black hoodies who have been trying to recruit from anarchists in the US and UK. Here is an article about them after one of there attempts was unmasked

http://www.greenanarchy.org/index.php?action=viewwritingdetail&writingId=150

Run them out of town if they ever show up again!

New Right website: www.newrightausnz.org

New Right blog: www.newrightausnz.blogspot.com

New Right APEC video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q62AUxCeA5Q 

Enjoy reading and maybe you are able to think outsite the political square and be able to hold a political argument without the use of labels. To call us Nazis just shows us that you clinch to a dogma, are unable to understand that there are people who have a different political opinion and that freedom of speech and expression is something that you only apply to your own groups but not others.

why is this Indymedia site allowing posts by people making defenses for clearly-identified White Nationalist groups? 

New Right / Same Old Shit.